Curse

Turbo Ginsu · Jan 14, 2010, 08:58 AM // 08:58

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Originally Posted by Ariovist Lynxkind

I just acknowledge they only have a small fraction of the staff to work with cause nearly everyone at Anet is working on GW2, probably trying to prevent the issues that plague the current game

Don't worry about it dude. If they screw up this update too bad, they'll only have to cater for a small fraction of the playerbase..

Yelling @ Cats · Jan 14, 2010, 09:56 AM // 09:56

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Perfect balance isn't achievable, but more balanced certainly is. Broken Form is truely broken and you know it.

What would your reaction be to the following (PVE of course) skill?

Mega Farm (elite): All foes in the zone are killed and drop double. All drops shadow step to your location.

Would you argue that it is fine because:
a) it doesn't affect anyone else
b) it's only PvE
c) balance isn't possible anyway
d) if you don't like it don't use it
e) you will quit the game if they nerf it
f) people who don't like it are selfish/gwamm/farmers w/e
g) if they nerf it, obby flesh would just replace it
h) all of the above

Because this is exactly the pro-broken form argument. Go figure!

Bumping this because it makes SF supporters look foolish.

Shasgaliel · Jan 14, 2010, 09:57 AM // 09:57

I am not sure what actually Anet would like to achieve. I have the impression that they change their mind with every skill balance. I think they are unable to revive pvp so at least they can make it more interesting for the ones still there, they got a bunch of suggestions how they can do it. For pve is much worse. If they kill some farming people will leave if they dont people will leave. Hard choice there...

mrvrod · Jan 14, 2010, 10:01 AM // 10:01

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Perfect balance isn't achievable, but more balanced certainly is. Broken Form is truely broken and you know it.

What would your reaction be to the following (PVE of course) skill?

Mega Farm (elite): All foes in the zone are killed and drop double. All drops shadow step to your location.

Would you argue that it is fine because:
a) it doesn't affect anyone else it doesn't
b) it's only PvE I'd be fine with it being PvP too
c) balance isn't possible anyway it isn't
d) if you don't like it don't use it very logical, I couldn't have said it better
e) you will quit the game if they nerf it nah, I'll quit the game when I no longer enjoy it
f) people who don't like it are selfish/gwamm/farmers w/e that's for each selfish/gwamm/farmer w/e to decide
g) if they nerf it, obby flesh would just replace it something will definitely replace it, 5 years of history proving that one
h) all of the above or at least most of the above

Because this is exactly the pro-broken form argument. Go figure!

Bumping this because the anti-SF crowd boils down to this one lame argument.

Shasgaliel · Jan 14, 2010, 10:11 AM // 10:11

ok so you get another one. If someone does not have factions he should also be able to farm core area and be able to get similar profits... Ownership of a campaign should not influence players possibilities to enjoy the core game content in a non-discriminatory way. Plain and simple.

QueenofDeath · Jan 14, 2010, 10:32 AM // 10:32

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If they kill some farming people will leave if they dont people will leave. Hard choice there...

Actually that last part (if they don't people will leave) has already happened. I left a long time ago because of SF and 600 smite and all the other gimmick builds they allowed. They've all contributed to ruining the economy and allowing everyone noob and their mother to get to high end content easily. The game is a romper room now and even now nerfing SF or anything else isn't going to save it. You are probably right though when/if they do nerf SF and others there will be an even greater exodus of the game players as they have seen in the past I'm sure players don't like you nerfing what they enjoy using as an exploit to any game.

Tenebrae · Jan 14, 2010, 10:46 AM // 10:46

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Originally Posted by mrvrod

Bumping this because the pro-SF crowd boils down to those nonsense arguments.

Fixed. People just get tired to explain why those myths and "reasons" are not valid like you were explaining it to a 9-year old kid.

Whatever they are going to do , is better than doing nothing but i really think the TK are throwing some dice right now and when that skill update comes out , almost no one is going to find it worth the time spent .

Gill Halendt · Jan 14, 2010, 10:52 AM // 10:52

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Originally Posted by QueenofDeath

I'm sure players don't like you nerfing what they enjoy using as an exploit to any game.

The mere fact that people enjoy something isn't an excuse tough.

Problem is, something as absurd as the abuses we've seen so far (Ursanway, permaSF and 600/Smite) wouldn't have been allowed for so long in ANY other decent game I know.

How people here can defend such absurdities is beyond me. They might have been profitable, easy and even FUN while they lasted, but how could anyone believe they were meant to stay, expecially when those abuses became so widespread?

aeronox · Jan 14, 2010, 10:55 AM // 10:55

I'm looking forward to seeing how the first Test Krewe-influenced update turns out.

niek2004 · Jan 14, 2010, 10:56 AM // 10:56

I'm pretty sure the next skill balance will be something of the following:
-Nerf illusion mesmers more
-Nerf MoI/fix the armor ignoring damage
-Nerf Glass/1second ranger attacks
-Nerf some other random crap
-Buff PvE hammer skills
-Hopefully nerf Bspike, so ladder is less dead.
-Hopefully buff some PvP skills, meta shakeup, anything to make it interesting again.(Won't happen! too much effort)
-SF won't be nerfed.

Bi-yearly skillupdates from now on? Test Krewe seems like a big joke to me, PvE'ers discussing what needs to be done about PvP. And ofc a fresh excuse ANET can use why they aren't keeping their promises.

mrvrod · Jan 14, 2010, 10:57 AM // 10:57

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Originally Posted by Tenebrae

Fixed. People just get tired to explain why those myths and "reasons" are not valid like you were explaining it to a 9-year old kid.

Whatever they are going to do , is better than doing nothing but i really think the TK are throwing some dice right now and when that skill update comes out , almost no one is going to find it worth the time spent .

Completely agree with this. Honestly I think everyone thats been in this convo for the long haul wants the same thing, a better game. We just disagree on how to do it, or if it's even possible anymore.

(personally, I don't think it's possible, so I say let everyone play in the mud till GW2 comes out)

Bill Clinton · Jan 14, 2010, 01:11 PM // 13:11

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Originally Posted by niek2004

PvE'ers discussing what needs to be done about PvP. And ofc a fresh excuse ANET can use why they aren't keeping their promises.

The test krewe isnt made up of PvE players. I guess you never applied for it? They are based pretty much purely on pvp.

Jensy · Jan 14, 2010, 03:03 PM // 15:03

And of course, everyone misses where the PvP-ers on the TK are discussing what needs to be done in PvP? Or, are you just going to focus on PvE-ers commenting? The TK is comprised of both PvE and PvP; the idea that any group of PvE players coming to important decisions on PvP balance is just silly :P

Man, I haven't seen this much nerdrage in a long time.

FyrFytr998 · Jan 14, 2010, 03:15 PM // 15:15

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Originally Posted by QueenofDeath

They've all contributed to ruining the economy and allowing everyone noob and their mother to get to high end content easily.

I can respect the people that argue about game balance. I can respect the people that say no player should be invulnerable. What I can't respect is the QQ'ing about vanity items. Just sounds like a bunch of sour grapes to me. People's esteem must be pretty low to put so much self worth into virtual wealth and items.

Killed u man · Jan 14, 2010, 03:28 PM // 15:28

Concidering updates are usually Thursday (Unlike contrary believe of ppl who say it's friday -friday is when weekend events start, duur), and this is concidered the second thursday of Januari, should I get my hopes up that the promised OKTOBER UPDATE is going to be tonight?

Morphy · Jan 14, 2010, 03:31 PM // 15:31

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Originally Posted by Yelling @ Cats

Bumping this because it makes SF supporters look foolish.

It does not. In fact, I wouldn't give a crap if a skill like that would exist. Then again, I don't do PvE because I hate it.

Anet can nerf SF if they want, I don't care. It's a waste of resources that I'd rather see them spend on more fixable and pressing issues, though.

Xenex Xclame · Jan 14, 2010, 03:33 PM // 15:33

LOL I wouldnt bother,why get your hopes up for one day when you know yoru gonna be disapointed.

Also remember, we will get the proposed skill changes one month in advance,so the skill update is AT LEAST 2 months away.

Dzjudz · Jan 14, 2010, 03:46 PM // 15:46

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Concidering updates are usually Thursday (Unlike contrary believe of ppl who say it's friday -friday is when weekend events start, duur), and this is concidered the second thursday of Januari, should I get my hopes up that the promised OKTOBER UPDATE is going to be tonight?

Yes, it's probably either today or next month. Wouldn't get my hopes up too much for today. Or for next month for that matter

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Del · Jan 14, 2010, 04:56 PM // 16:56

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Originally Posted by Jensy

And of course, everyone misses where the PvP-ers on the TK are discussing what needs to be done in PvP? Or, are you just going to focus on PvE-ers commenting? The TK is comprised of both PvE and PvP; the idea that any group of PvE players coming to important decisions on PvP balance is just silly :P

Man, I haven't seen this much nerdrage in a long time.

QFT

It's been said that there's pvpers on TK, yet now and then some ignant person has to make a comment like this:

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Originally Posted by niek2004

PvE'ers discussing what needs to be done about PvP. And ofc a fresh excuse ANET can use why they aren't keeping their promises.

Abedeus · Jan 14, 2010, 05:11 PM // 17:11

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Originally Posted by niek2004

Bi-yearly skillupdates from now on? Test Krewe seems like a big joke to me, PvE'ers discussing what needs to be done about PvP. And ofc a fresh excuse ANET can use why they aren't keeping their promises.

About the PvErs discussin about PvP - false. There are probably more PvPers than PvErs in the TK.

But I agree about the all-new excuse.

"Oh, uhm, the Test Krewe had some... more cycles... and we didn't get to approve it... and it's still discussing... HEY LOOK TWO-PIECED COSTUMES $5 EACH BUY BUY BUY!"